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[Omera]

I'm a newbie occultist working with goetics, as they appeal to me as a form of medieval magic. I've had success with the goetics I've worked with so far, and their presence seems to be making me better at sensing spirits. So far, I've had these occurrences
1. Hearing a woman whisper my name near me before falling asleep. (possibly Gremory?)
2. My mother, (I'm a young occultist) whose capable of sensing spirits quite well, has heard a grunting-growl speech coming from my ritual room.
3. My mother heard my voice yelling something in my ritual room when I wasn't even home. (my guess is it was 'resonance' of some kind from my ritual room because I tend to read loud litanies).
4. I also saw a black, shadow-like phantasm quickly dart across the road and disappear behind something in the morning heading to my bus stop. I'm assuming this is just a shadow person.

As of now, I currently regard these events as nothing to fear, because if anything they're merely a showing of results from my ritual successes. I have not banished, as I don't feel the need to, and I've heard of one occult writer keeping his entities around because their energy builds up and adds to his own workings power.

I have a question regarding familiars and goetia, and thats this...
Are there goetics that I can ask to be around at all times so I'd be able to practice sensing its presence at all times? Or maybe have one give me a familiar for this purpose?

[Omera]

This is the poem I wrote to summon a familiar from Amdusias. xD
Short and Stalky
Relatively Talky
Skin of Red
Waste energy, its fed
Bound to this chamber
I'm its master tamer
Glowing yellow eyes
Wearing a suit and tie
Cleaner and Protector
I couldn't request better
So great Amdusias!
Give me this little familiar imp
His name will be Krimp!

I was asking for a familiar that'd be talkative, small, red skinned, yellow eyed, wearing a suit and tie, and his purpose is to clean waste energy from the ritual room so it doesn't clutter up, and of course prevent unneeded spirits from entering my ritual room. I did a tarot reading to see the result of the request.. I drew 4 of pentacles, showing a man in his own little space, that contains only him and that within his grasp (the pentacles).
I also used my pendulum to locate Krimp, and the pendulum slowly swung about- first it swung toward the summoning triangle, and than it followed Krimp's movements. It looked like he was walking around me.

In other news, todays been a lucky day for me. My aunty came over and took me to a book place and I bought the Nordic Runes (I work with runes a lot so I figured a book of runes would be of use) and The Temple of High Magick: Ceremonies, Spheres, and the Witch's Qabalah which is a really thick book with diverse topics on magic (I'm gonna read the Reality Map Creation section). I also was lucky enough to buy a small brass vase, a brass box, and a sexy 2-drawer wooden box with blue fur on the inside to make it all fancy.
Overall, I'd say todays been pretty awesome, probably as a result of a recent working with Orobas.

[nytek]

Originally Posted by Omera

I'm a newbie occultist working with goetics, as they appeal to me as a form of medieval magic.

Kewl. Good times.

I've had success with the goetics I've worked with so far, and their presence seems to be making me better at sensing spirits. So far, I've had these occurrences

F'sho. All focus on the astral will strengthen your astral focusing abilities much like any form of exercise will strengthen said related physical abilities when properly performed.

1. Hearing a woman whisper my name near me before falling asleep. (possibly Gremory?)

Is there anything to back this assertion you've made? I'm not being rude here--I'm being analytical. It's not too unusual to have Goetics approach you if you open yourself to them in a certain way. Then again, astral noise just before falling asleep is even more common yet if you're previously unfamiliar with it.

2. My mother, (I'm a young occultist) whose capable of sensing spirits quite well, has heard a grunting-growl speech coming from my ritual room.

Well, that doesn't sound very friendly. During an operation would be one thing, but this is another item altogether. Me hearing that, I would banish, personally. How's the atmosphere in this room? When I'm forced to do a lot of demonic work (non-Goetic), my room gets heavy... real heavy... oppressively so, even. I've also had mild to moderate poltergeist activity that's occurred twice for me during times of heavy work. But ... if you're into that sorta evil vibe then it just might be heaven for you, so I can't say it's bad in terms of the opinions of all.

Daily banishing keeps the temple room clean and neutral of all vibes and feelings. Well, save the occasional energies that can't be banished like Enochian forces, et al.... Otherwise like other magickians it becomes my fortress in certain dire times and thus I must keep it warded and empty if possible.

3. My mother heard my voice yelling something in my ritual room when I wasn't even home. (my guess is it was 'resonance' of some kind from my ritual room because I tend to read loud litanies).

Sounds like my old poltergeist haunted house on a property that housed slaves and also had a nearby mansion that burned to the ground charring and killing several people. An old old property in New York... It could be totally unrelated to the Goetia; this you have going on. You are like unto a beacon on the astral, basically... I would at least learn the Rose+Cross ritual as part of the benefit of this is an astral invisibility of sorts.

To relate, most of my family would hear their name being called in a way you could tell wasn't physical once you'd thought on it after then realizing it wasn't who you thought it was calling for you, similarly as to how in magick a person can tell a physical manifestation from a real physical object quite clearly in practically any given case.

4. I also saw a black, shadow-like phantasm quickly dart across the road and disappear behind something in the morning heading to my bus stop. I'm assuming this is just a shadow person.

Hmm... I've seen a relatively powerful demon in my temple that came unannounced to me as a messenger sent from the ruler of a certain sephiroth which was a 6' tall and rather wide shadow. I just saw a flash of it moving and immediately I felt a presence as well once I lost sight of it. I had to go into skrying mode to trace the presence and it looked something like a monster so I kinda bugged, but that's becoming a digression. I temporarily imprisoned it with an astral triangle and HGA-energy fetters, and it was pissed, but the message it gave me was verified, and it understood the circumstances.

That said I personally think that just because it's a shadow you saw, doesn't mean it's a "shadow person", or so I'm trying to say. In my case if I was more clairvoyant then perhaps I would see things with open eyes easier instead of the typical shadow or partial manifestation I sometimes get. Shadow people tend to be bright red eyed, also, I've noticed as I've grown up in the many haunted houses back in historic NY.

What you saw could be lots of things... but more importantly you're activating your "second sight", or so it seems. I would set a mantra to form an intent as to what you're willing to attract, and what you wish to tune out. That's just me though... maybe another way will work out for you, or what you're doing now.

If you're curious, this one from the Monroe Institute has worked well for me: "I am more than my physical body. Because I am more than physical matter, I deeply desire to Expand, to Experience; to Know, to Understand; to Control, to Use such greater energies and energy systems as may be beneficial and constructive to me and to those near and close to me. Also, I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience are equal to or greater than my own.” Don't just mouth the words emptily, if so.

As of now, I currently regard these events as nothing to fear, because if anything they're merely a showing of results from my ritual successes.

Well, success in what? A good handful of my friends only consider an evocation successful if the results desired are actually obtained--but if you get a physical manifestation from your efforts then you'll be damned if your results aren't obtained I'd wager. Particularly in astral evocation though, it's not enough to simply have an entity show up, in my opinion if you're to really call it a success. Something is happening though...

I have not banished, as I don't feel the need to

Again, trying to help here, but how would a self-admitted noob know the difference by feel already between when to banish and when a banishment is unnecessary? I mean, it would take either extreme astral sensitivity from birth (entirely possible), or, one would need something like many years even of doing the LBRP daily just to build up to that kinda auric sensitivity in my opinion. So sometimes, no, laughter is not the best form of banishment either. It all depends on what kinda working you're working in my opinion, amongst things.

and I've heard of one occult writer keeping his entities around because their energy builds up and adds to his own workings power.

But ... this person you mention, this writer, keep in mind, has much more experience than both of us put together I could probably safely venture a guess to say...

I have a question regarding familiars and goetia, and thats this...
Are there goetics that I can ask to be around at all times so I'd be able to practice sensing its presence at all times?

Go for the blood ritual then. I've posted one on this site for linking up with Hekate and you can just adapt it as you see fit. In the words of Izabael and similarly to the many other people who have imparted me with their own advice and wisdom and such over time, "Be careful what you wish for". You most definitely will be effected by the spirit in the same way that hanging out with a certain type of crowd influences your behavior, in a similar version to the effect of experiencing a "mob mentality", just to draw a comparison for you.

If you do do this, disregarding my advice, then I would work with that spirit for a good while before doing so to make sure you're doing the right thing. Good luck banishing your obsessing spirit otherwise. But hey, if you do it anyway, please post the results so we can all learn from them in any case. The last guy who disregarded my advice eventually started complaining of an increasing occurrence of what you're considering to be success signs, and then he started seeming to become very unsure and panicky and watched, etc.. Lastly he stopped responding to my emails once I realized he stopped sending me them and I started checking in on him. This guy is either insane, dead, or a devout Christian now ... I'm near sure of it how we left off. As Lon Milo says, "Dare to be lazy". It's screwed me up less than it's hurt me though to be honest... but when it does screw me up to be that way... then look out.

[nytek]

Oh, and the best way to get a familiar from a spirit in my eyes is to bond with said spirit, and to either amuse or impress said spirit in some way with your dedication... Self-canceling or otherwise limited pacts are potentially to be included as an option. A person can start by aiming for particularly powerful entities who can subjugate other known spirits beneath them as well for just such purposes as this, too. Make friends with greatness, even though ambition alone is not enough.

[ceewayne]

Now this might be a strange question, but what does a familiar do? I work with Spirits but my relationship with them is very informal. What is the relationship like with a familiar?

[thorhammer]

Originally Posted by ceewayne

Now this might be a strange question, but what does a familiar do? I work with Spirits but my relationship with them is very informal. What is the relationship like with a familiar?

So glad you asked that It's like you read my mind.

[nytek]

Originally Posted by ceewayne

Now this might be a strange question, but what does a familiar do? I work with Spirits but my relationship with them is very informal. What is the relationship like with a familiar?

Yo ceewayne. Famiiar spirits are something akin to having your own personal spiritual bitch, if you'll pardon my vernacular in saying so. Though realistically one should never treat a gift that way even though I seem to imply disrespect. What a familiar does for a person would be most likely related in some fashion directly or more indirectly to the office of the spirit which gave it to you, save wherever you see, "<N.> gives familiars of all kinds and purposes", or something. Don't take that as a hard and fast rule of course.

Me, I'm told I'm not allowed to tell anyone what my Luciferian familiar does. Which I hate. I'm always about sharing.. That said and put aside, I do remember specifically one example posted from a person that I fee I can munge up which might put your mind at ease on the subject and point you both in the right direction. I will dig that up and get back to you in say... five minutes time.

[nytek]

http://imperialarts.livejournal.com/1398.htmlPurson and the acquisition of a familiar.

http://imperialarts.livejournal.com/2152.htmlA Familiar

[ceewayne]

Thank you

So the Spirit in question sends you their Aide-de-Camp. Ok. I get that.

[thorhammer]

To get the groceries? Clean the gutters?

Defend the boundaries?

Or smooth the way for achievement of astral travel and suchlike?

I'm sorry, I like things put really plainly