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I know that magicians use a magickal motto as their form of address, interchangeably with their "real" name depending on circumstance. I'm wondering if there are any sources discussing the assumption of a magickal motto, what language it "should" be in, why and when one changes mottoes (as I know Uncle Al did) and so forth.

I seem to have had mine communicated to me while practicing the assumption of HPK's God-form; it is consistent and the experience culminates every time I do it with this phrase.

I'm wondering about the significance of different mottoes according to initiatory grade and who confers the privilege of changing or assuming the motto.

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I know that magicians use a magickal motto as their form of address, interchangeably with their "real" name depending on circumstance. I'm wondering if there are any sources discussing the assumption of a magickal motto, what language it "should" be in, why and when one changes mottoes (as I know Uncle Al did) and so forth.

I seem to have had mine communicated to me while practicing the assumption of HPK's God-form; it is consistent and the experience culminates every time I do it with this phrase.

I'm wondering about the significance of different mottoes according to initiatory grade and who confers the privilege of changing or assuming the motto.

Stopping now Thanks in advance.

Crowley changed his at the typical Golden Dawn levels:

Perdurabo ("I will endure til the end")—Neophyte
Parzival — Adeptus Minor
Ol Sonuf Vaoresaji ("I reign over ye")—Adeptus Major
Ou Mh (O.M.—" No, definitely no! or Not Yet!") —Adeptus Exemptus
Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici (V.V.V.V.V. —"By the force of truth, I, while living, have conquered the Universe")—Master of the Temple
To Mega Therion ("The Great Beast") —Magus

At anyrate, I feel a magickal motto only needs changed when the student feels they have outgrown the old one.

If you have received one during ritual, dream, or meditation you should absolutely use it. Mottos should always be empowering to you. They are in ideal to live up to.

I don't think it matters what language, but checking out the spelling of your motto with Gematria is a common, but optional, practice.

*AL

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Thankyou for that. I sat down yesterday for a couple of hours trying to work out the Gematria of mine in Hebrew (being a purist, I'm a little iffy on transliteration, Liber AL notwithstanding) but as I don't actually know any Hebrew I was relying on online translators and each one gave a different slant. I wish I knew someone who knew Hebrew.

Or maybe I should just deal with tranliteration

When you say "If you have received one during ritual, dream, or meditation you should absolutely use it" - what exactly do you mean by "use"? TBH I would feel pretentious signing communiques with it, especially if they're just an email to a friend saying, "Meet me for lunch . . . oh, and by the way . . . xxxxxx" LOL

Anyway. I'm being obstructionist now so I'll shut up again