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[nytek]

Anyone used this one? Because if you have, then maybe we owe it to ourselves to trade experiences, if so... Me, I've had a little bit along the line of interesting results since I began using it recently for some sigil magick consecration spells involving the apparently potent forces that fill the pages. Nothing has been mind blowing yet speaking up until now. It'd be interesting to hear how some people saw the spirits even if nothing else... though I definitely don't doubt the claims of potency by the way.

[Adeodatus]

More Solomonic stuff? Seems popular when I researched it online but I haven't had much experience with it.

However I enjoyed this picture that came up during my search of King Solomon and Sheba. And where ARE Sheba's books of witchcraft? She must have had some.

[nytek]

My friend had turned me onto it and told me that there are certainly potent spirits in there. This friend doesn't use a circle or a triangle but simply calibrates to the spirit, calls it, and lets things go with good results. I use a circle. I haven't seen mind rending results yet, but I've gotten interesting ones without a doubt.

In terms of the spirits themselves, one can take Frutimiere, for example. He produces all sorts of feasts for you. I've worked with him out of curiosity, consecrating his sigil and opening dialogue through it. Like some spirits will recommend herbs for your magick or teach you through impressions... Frutimiere can easily recommend how to make any party into a decadent feast by not only recommending and organizing the menu using your intuition, but can also make manifest the goods you need when you go out shopping for them, he says and showed me. His nature to me is seemingly of Venus and Leo, being of physicality and lust and celebration.

Frutimiere appeared to myself and my wife in spirit sight on separate incidents as a personable, jovial, middle aged man, with very old old fashioned clothes on, standing about almost 6' tall, with dark, short-ish, straight hair, I imagine... HUGE Buddha belly but not fat otherwise. Before I got him directly I was skrying all kinds of images of pastries and bakeries stacked with goodies and smelling the smells of sauted roasts and very rich luxurious foods.

Long story short, I've asked him to provide a feast. In the mean time, I haven't had an overflowing pantry of food dumped on me to share with my friends and family but still not three days later... my wife has come home with two bags of gourmet fermented ginger botanical drinks, gourmet cracker-chips, and generally gourmet items they gave out to management at her work randomly. The second bag of mostly smaller bags of those awesome cracker-chips came to me on the second day of work when she'd returned and found that not everyone wanted all of their gifts for whatever reason. Cool.

That said you should know I don't really do this grimoire stuff by the book, though. What I do is I make and consecrate sigils, form a connection to the energy beneath them, skry into it, and then draw that connection into a physical presence in my temple through will and open eyed trance. Most of my actual ritual is merely for empowerment or self-focus to eliminate distraction. Still what I got for a result is pretty good for one non-formal round of sigil magick.

I've since repeated the operation again because these more informal evocations typically require a little bit of energy build up rather than a more formal evocation. Still, getting the spirits to physical presence this way successfully is possible and I've done it recently.

I'll see how this all goes...

Cool pic, by the way.

[pAmphAge]

That said you should know I don't really do this grimoire stuff by the book, though. What I do is I make and consecrate sigils, form a connection to the energy beneath them, skry into it, and then draw that connection into a physical presence in my temple through will and open eyed trance. Most of my actual ritual is merely for empowerment or self-focus to eliminate distraction. Still what I got for a result is pretty good for one non-formal round of sigil magick.

That's why these books always work so well for you--you have an underlying system that you've found is powerful.

How simple is your underlying method for using any type of grimoire?

I was thinking very simple if I broke it down:

a warm up period- intoning, chanting, purifying, etc.
a climx- drawin down LVX, orgasm, communion with spirit, etc.
a wind-down- closing words, ending bells/knocks, feast

and also every ritual includes some sort of aspiration to a god/goddess, or at least to energies pre-supposed to exist (astral enegies, subconcious entities, etc), and with the explicit or implied desire to experience life in a certain way. Even rituals of thanks, area way of giving back in hopes we can keep reaping the things we want. so Magick definitely implies a desire at all times.

so we have only 4 ingredients?

1) Desire
2) a Ritual with 3 parts, explicit or implied.
3) A letting go

Is the letting go even always necessary? No, not necessarily.

This is straying off topic, but these were just thoughts that popped into my head, because Grimorium Verum is a book I never cared that much for as its just the typical medieval grimoire style. Also The "True" Grimoire doesn't exactly instill faith, anymore than people who keep telling you how honest they are. But, that reminded me I feel like all magickal systems have power if they are good at doing the above things, esp. do they excite desire and give you something to wind-up and climax on?

pAmphAge

[Izabael DaJinn]

Is this a black magick book? Doesn't look any more black than other Solomonic stuff.

BTW, Nytek, do you have any E.A. Koetting in .pdf? What a pain it is everytime I find a new author in magick I'm actually interested in, it's so hard to procure their stuff.

[nytek]

Originally Posted by Izabael DaJinn

Is this a black magick book? Doesn't look any more black than other Solomonic stuff.

It's similar; sure. I don't know many magickians who use it for anything but works of darkness either anyhow. All I know is that this book of symbols is potent and the spirits within them dangerous. I don't need triangles or circles when calling these guys. They seem neutral but willing to help. In the end, the intent of using any of these guys is what makes it black or not for me. I don't know anyone who uses the G.V. to prepare feasts. Most of my friends who share with me use GV or GKoS for death magick. Book of Moses too, even though of course it has it's other elements. Mainly here I'm choosing not focusing on those....

I could post straight up black magick rituals here but I'm afraid you wouldn't be pleased with me for doing so.

BTW, Nytek, do you have any E.A. Koetting in .pdf?

Nothing that can't be downloaded at his website ... uhhh... eternalascentpublications.com? Just google the guy. He has several excerpts and I've read them each 5 times or more to try to understand his M.O..

What a pain it is everytime I find a new author in magick I'm actually interested in, it's so hard to procure their stuff.

Tell me about it... $300+ dollars for KoF... up to $1000 for WoD. I have spirits working to manifest me one of those but nothing yet. I've managed to manifest copies for $99 of WoD, but I have so many other things to pay for atm that I couldn't take it. UGH... slipping away.

Without magick, you're not getting the rare books. The KoF and WoD are the most valuable ones. Baneful Magick is all about death magick really. Evoking Eternity I'm not done with. KoF and WoD I must find.

[nytek]

An update. I've momentarily worked with Guland to take care of some bully (as part of a team of demons), but no results shown from that which I can specifically claim are Gulands.

However, on my past posts, I can say that todayt a co-worker at my wife's job, one who is loosely friends with her only, left for her in the fridge a slice of this lemon creme cheesecake or pie from a bakery or something. The thing even came with a handwritten note that said for nobody to touch it but her. Cool. Later then she offered some of the cake to me of course... but apparently my friends and I are receiving gifts as promised.

Frutimiere apparently flashed into her might right as she got the gift; a sign that usually tells me magick is involved like when a sigil you cast finally manifests. Know what I mean? That feeling that lets you [i] know.

I guess it sucks I've got no black magick to share from the GV yet. I am moving the thread since I probably won't soon other than referring to Guland. Since then I've had GKoS change of heart... I will definitely be posting on that thread. That, and demonic enns. Belial also taught me a ritual I might share with some of you too. He's actualy not a bad guy; nice, like a mafia figure is nice.

Someone who tried to kill me once and later became my "friend" is in the final stages of my curse on them. They're in the manifesting bliss stage when life suddenly goes well and the mark's subconscious realizes it better enjoy life while it can so it manifests good stuff.

[nytek]

Wow. Okay. This is good. I was writing about Frutimiere here when my friend came by and demanded I go meet some guy downstairs who we both planned on meeting, long story short. So he isn't there anymore; the guy. We go walking, and he bumps into a black guy around 28 years old. We talk briefly and then as I leave he offers me a weed brownie totally randomly and we part ways.

[nytek]

Wow. Okay. This is good. I was writing about Frutimiere here in my last post when before I could finish and post it my friend came by and demanded I go meet some guy downstairs who we both planned on meeting the next day, long story short. So he isn't down there anymore; the guy. As a result we go walking around, and my friend bumps into a black guy around 28 years old he knew from a while ago. We talk briefly and establish okay rapport, and then as I leave the guy hands me something and tells me it's a weed brownie ... just like that ... totally randomly. Then we parted ways with a dap. No shit.

I have no doubt now from this that the GV spirits are potent as hell if you have a good system or talent of accessing them. Some spirits as I feel them feel like, "leave me alone", but most aren't like that at all. I recommend this book to any serious practicing magickian who has avoided it because of all the talk about formality and typical Grimoire crap.

[nytek]

PS I was going to move this thread to the regular magick forum ... but I'm not aware at the moment of how to do that.