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Ye Old Black Magick If Alex from A Clockwork Orange could do magick, what sort of magick would he do?

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Old 04-30-2012, 07:57 PM   #11
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As you progress along the path the distinctions between "Black" or "White" magick seem less stark and eventually cease to exist.

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In my experience, that too, is just a stage. Much like dying the hair black and dressing similarly is for Satanists a way to divorce themselves from their former limiting self-image and painful associations therewith, intellectualizing everything into the gray zone is a stage of growth and change as well. It's a stage where one starts to peel back the veneer of maya to gaze at the machinery inside. The old self dies upon severe introspection. You find yourself breaking the chain of cause and effect until reason fails you altogether, right up until the Joke of the Universe stage is reached and the cosmic meaninglessness and worthlessness of everything becomes a great source of enjoyment and peace. There is a "black" and a "white" again, even if we realize the limitations and implications of duality as we use the terms loosely.

But to the person who says proudly that maya is just an illusion, I refute their claim by kicking a boulder and shouting out in pain. Illusions are real since all illusions are equal and compared to one another relatively. Likewise, there is a perception of white and black magic, whatever it is defined as. It is real even if not objective.

And just because subjective value judgements shape the terms "black" and "white", as used, doesn't mean that for sake of convenience there is no value in applying labels accordingly. I personally like to say, "black magic" when talking about performing baneful sorceries more than anything else, in my own case. Forms that don't imprison us are useful for communication in my opinion.


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Old 05-01-2012, 08:45 AM   #12
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In my experience, that too, is just a stage. Much like dying the hair black and dressing similarly is for Satanists a way to divorce themselves from their former limiting self-image and painful associations therewith, intellectualizing everything into the gray zone is a stage of growth and change as well. It's a stage where one starts to peel back the veneer of maya to gaze at the machinery inside. The old self dies upon severe introspection. You find yourself breaking the chain of cause and effect until reason fails you altogether, right up until the Joke of the Universe stage is reached and the cosmic meaninglessness and worthlessness of everything becomes a great source of enjoyment and peace. There is a "black" and a "white" again, even if we realize the limitations and implications of duality as we use the terms loosely.

But to the person who says proudly that maya is just an illusion, I refute their claim by kicking a boulder and shouting out in pain. Illusions are real since all illusions are equal and compared to one another relatively. Likewise, there is a perception of white and black magic, whatever it is defined as. It is real even if not objective.

And just because subjective value judgements shape the terms "black" and "white", as used, doesn't mean that for sake of convenience there is no value in applying labels accordingly. I personally like to say, "black magic" when talking about performing baneful sorceries more than anything else, in my own case. Forms that don't imprison us are useful for communication in my opinion.


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I'm referring to the transcendence of dualism.

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Yes. Likewise. And I; the later stages of it.

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Old 11-08-2012, 03:31 AM   #14
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Well most people who fear the spooky dark stuff are probably raised to think that way.

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Old 11-09-2012, 08:05 PM   #15
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Crowley said.... As was said at the opening of the second chapter, the Single Supreme Ritual is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete man in a vertical straight line...Any other operation is black magic...If the magician needs to perform any other operation than this, it is only lawful in so far as it is a necessary preliminary to That One Work.

It should never be forgotten for a single moment that the central and essential work of the Magician is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. Once he has achieved this he must of course be left entirely in the hands of that Angel, who can be invariably and inevitably relied upon to lead him to the further great step—crossing of the Abyss and the attainment of the grade of Master of the Temple.

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Ever mind the Rule of Three Three times what you givest returns to thee This is the lesson, you must learn You only gets what you earn

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The Horn’d One, the Lord of the shades,
By day he’s the King of the Woodlands,
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She sails the torn clouds in her barque,
The bright silver lady of midnight,
The crone who weaves spells in the dark.
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You have a gun. You see someone about to attack a child with the intention of killing that child. Would it be moral to shoot that person?

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You have a gun. You see someone about to attack a child with the intention of killing that child. Would it be moral to shoot that person?
It would, but you still might feel bad about it. Black being something used against someone in a harmful way. White being used to help people. Now I know that we can get into this a lot deeper and debate the types like baneful, enochian, chaos, Thelmic etc. but doesn't it depend on your intent. However in traditional religious circles, all magick is black magic. lol
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