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Barrackubus · 08-29-2012, 09:21 AM

I was doing some looking around at another site, and have discovered a question for fellow thelemanites...Is thelema considered to be on the LHP and if so why is it considered as such? For me, I don't see such distinctions in paths. Alot of Crowley has taken that box away from my perception...your views on this my friends.

Anubis · 10-17-2012, 06:53 PM

I'd say it is. It's "Do as thou wilt" instead of "Do as you're told"
That I think is the distinction between the two paths. True will vs. dogmatic transcendentalism.

adar yawshab · 10-20-2012, 08:15 AM

"Do what thou wilt" is infinitely subjective. It doesn't necessarily have to mean LHP or RHP. To me, and many others, it means to follow your will (do what thou wilt; do what you WILL). To follow your true will at all costs and overcome your compulsions to the contrary. Your thelema can have tendency toward either severity or mercy, but I feel like AC meant for the system to lean toward the middle pillar. the neutral. That's just my take on it though.

your Will decides which path. not the system.

Poete Maudit · 10-25-2012, 10:11 AM

I do not pretend to know what Crowley meant by the words. To me, however, they signify the complete overcoming of 'law', and not merely moral 'law', as nothing more than delusions cooked up in the minds of humans. 'Do what thou wilt' implies that anything is possible for the magician.

myst moonlight · 10-26-2012, 04:59 PM

reminds me of my witch crafts only comandment
"if it harms none do as you will"

ceewayne · 10-26-2012, 07:43 PM

The difference is that yours is a call for limiting one's action. Do what thou Wilt... can be a call to action as well.

And how do you defend yourself if you cannot harm?

myst moonlight · 11-06-2012, 02:48 PM

If you took the rule literaly you couldn't even kill germs!!
of course your allowed to defend your self. Your just taking someones negativity and sending it back.

ceewayne · 11-06-2012, 04:41 PM

Then how do you interpret it?

myst moonlight · 11-06-2012, 06:28 PM

I wont cause harm unless harm is done to someone
I'll help in people any way i can and Im careful not to domore harm then was done

adar yawshab · 11-09-2012, 03:50 AM

"do what thou wilt" so long as it doesn't impede on anyone else's ability to carry out their will, and if you choose to do so then expect retaliation.

08-29-2012, 09:21 AM	#1
Barrackubus Status: Initiate Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Saint Louis, Mo. Posts: 87	Thelema and LHP? I was doing some looking around at another site, and have discovered a question for fellow thelemanites...Is thelema considered to be on the LHP and if so why is it considered as such? For me, I don't see such distinctions in paths. Alot of Crowley has taken that box away from my perception...your views on this my friends.
	It should never be forgotten for a single moment that the central and essential work of the Magician is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. Once he has achieved this he must of course be left entirely in the hands of that Angel, who can be invariably and inevitably relied upon to lead him to the further great step—crossing of the Abyss and the attainment of the grade of Master of the Temple. Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole law.. 93

10-17-2012, 06:53 PM	#2
Anubis Status: Initiate Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Lansing, Michigan Posts: 86	I'd say it is. It's "Do as thou wilt" instead of "Do as you're told" That I think is the distinction between the two paths. True will vs. dogmatic transcendentalism.
	Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

10-26-2012, 04:59 PM	#5
myst moonlight Status: Adeptus Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: st. johns NL Posts: 117	reminds me of my witch crafts only comandment "if it harms none do as you will"
	By night he’s the wild wind’s rider, The Horn’d One, the Lord of the shades, By day he’s the King of the Woodlands, The dweller in green forest glades. She is youthful or old as she pleases, She sails the torn clouds in her barque, The bright silver lady of midnight, The crone who weaves spells in the dark.

11-06-2012, 02:48 PM	#7
myst moonlight Status: Adeptus Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: st. johns NL Posts: 117	If you took the rule literaly you couldn't even kill germs!! of course your allowed to defend your self. Your just taking someones negativity and sending it back.
	By night he’s the wild wind’s rider, The Horn’d One, the Lord of the shades, By day he’s the King of the Woodlands, The dweller in green forest glades. She is youthful or old as she pleases, She sails the torn clouds in her barque, The bright silver lady of midnight, The crone who weaves spells in the dark.

11-06-2012, 04:41 PM	#8
ceewayne Status: Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicagoland Area Posts: 574	Then how do you interpret it?
	93 Chris I believe in one secret and ineffable LORD; and in one Star in the Company of Stars of whose fire we are created, and to which we shall return; and in one Father of Life, Mystery of Mystery, in His name CHAOS, the sole viceregent of the Sun upon the Earth; and in one Air the nourisher of all that breathes. And I believe in one Earth, the Mother of us all, and in one Womb wherein all men are begotten, and wherein they shall rest, Mystery of Mystery, in Her name BABALON.

10-20-2012, 08:15 AM	#3
adar yawshab Status: Initiate Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 55	"Do what thou wilt" is infinitely subjective. It doesn't necessarily have to mean LHP or RHP. To me, and many others, it means to follow your will (do what thou wilt; do what you WILL). To follow your true will at all costs and overcome your compulsions to the contrary. Your thelema can have tendency toward either severity or mercy, but I feel like AC meant for the system to lean toward the middle pillar. the neutral. That's just my take on it though. your Will decides which path. not the system.

10-25-2012, 10:11 AM	#4
Poete Maudit Status: Initiate Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 49	I do not pretend to know what Crowley meant by the words. To me, however, they signify the complete overcoming of 'law', and not merely moral 'law', as nothing more than delusions cooked up in the minds of humans. 'Do what thou wilt' implies that anything is possible for the magician.

10-26-2012, 07:43 PM	#6
ceewayne Status: Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicagoland Area Posts: 574	The difference is that yours is a call for limiting one's action. Do what thou Wilt... can be a call to action as well. And how do you defend yourself if you cannot harm?

11-06-2012, 06:28 PM	#9
myst moonlight Status: Adeptus Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: st. johns NL Posts: 117	I wont cause harm unless harm is done to someone I'll help in people any way i can and Im careful not to domore harm then was done
	By night he’s the wild wind’s rider, The Horn’d One, the Lord of the shades, By day he’s the King of the Woodlands, The dweller in green forest glades. She is youthful or old as she pleases, She sails the torn clouds in her barque, The bright silver lady of midnight, The crone who weaves spells in the dark.

11-09-2012, 03:50 AM	#10
adar yawshab Status: Initiate Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 55	"do what thou wilt" so long as it doesn't impede on anyone else's ability to carry out their will, and if you choose to do so then expect retaliation.

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