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[asancta]

Originally Posted by wartyg96

No. We are not. If you worshipped nature, wouldn't you want to BE natural? All things are predatorial in nature after all, Badgers will cut your feckin throat out. Nature ignores concepts of "good" and "evil" and instead works to establish itself and its sovereignity.

As should we.

This time I have to agree with you

[myst moonlight]

How sould I put this nature will kill you if it can but at the same time the goddess has given us the ability to be above all that.
As for good and evil how can you look at say the holocost and not see evil and how can you look at love and not see good.
In short good and evil are all around us if you look.

[wartyg96]

Originally Posted by myst moonlight

How sould I put this nature will kill you if it can but at the same time the goddess has given us the ability to be above all that..

The serpent did Tempt Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge... Freeing her from the ectasy of ignorance...


That does NOT place us above any other thing. We are insignificant. Fact. The voice of Ra (also known as the divine spark or onething or first matter or quintessence or spirit or your mum) within us, is not insignificant. To connect to that is to be above, but only in essence, not in form. All things have that within them, not just man.

Nature, will not kill you unless you fuck with it, or if it gains from your death.

Thats how life itself should work. I don't condone murder, or the holocaust. However, demonic spirits or "Satanic" spirits, should probably be seen as "Predatorial" (By the way, I'm ripping off what my Teacher told me, with a bit of my own view on it). They destroy to gain, or for pleasure. Both are acceptable. Why?

Because if thy neighbour fucks with you, the rest of thine neighbours Shalt come around and say "I don't want you fucking with me too" and so they shalt taketh his head in the name of the heavens and skewer the bastard on a pike

Thats exactly how hitlers defeat was caused.

Funny, how England didn't join WWII when Hitler began killing jews... just when they started growing and expanding, becoming a threat... eh? correct me, isn't that how nature works?

[myst moonlight]

having the choice does not make us better than anything else but we have the choice of good and evil all the same.

Funny, how England didn't join WWII when Hitler began killing jews... just when they started growing and expanding, becoming a threat... eh? correct me, isn't that how nature works?

while that is a valid point they should have joined in

And by the way people didn't know the full extent untill they began capturing concentration camps

[wartyg96]

I make the choice to ignore good and evil on a personal basis. I think it is still needed in society, as we as a people aren't well enough developed to deal without such concepts on a social basis. However, individually with a few exceptions it should be fine to ignore such concepts, and easily beneficial.

[myst moonlight]

neeither of us is going to convince the other lets agree to disagree

[Anubis]

Myst, you should do us all a favor and agree to get the fuck out of here with your half-minded dogma crock, and go study some other belief systems, philosophies and creeds before you walk in here blasting contrived witchpoop at our well-studied occultists.

[wartyg96]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Myst, you should do us all a favor and agree to get the fuck out of here with your half-minded dogma crock, and go study some other belief systems, philosophies and creeds before you walk in here blasting contrived witchpoop at our well-studied occultists.

I don't see any problem with Mysts having his own views, I don't agree with them, but people have a right to believe things that they feel are true. I myself am dogmatic in many approaches, and even when I don't understand my own views I've often defended them which has led to me comprehending them further.

[Anubis]

It's one thing to believe in something, it's another to be poorly studied in your opponent's view and try to hold a debate against it. At least he ended it neutrally, but still, I am getting tired of seeing this person post as if they have no drive to study outside their circle.

[asancta]

Originally Posted by Anubis

It's one thing to believe in something, it's another to be poorly studied in your opponent's view and try to hold a debate against it. At least he ended it neutrally, but still, I am getting tired of seeing this person post as if they have no drive to study outside their circle.

Oh c'mon Anubis...I think your expectations are somewhat utopic regarding a forum(of any kind).You cannot expect a magick agora here filled with erudite professors People are the way they are, we all were beginners with our pluses and minuses.If Myst the Wiccan is willing to learn and evolve maybe he will, if it's only a teenager stage then that's it...and if he is going to be stucked to one dogma then so be it...you cannot stop him of any of those...And to deny him a place in this forum just because he is the way he is, then it only proves we are no better than those fanatics that throw bombs on others of different religions.