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[Barrackubus]

Gravity is a law. Gravity is made up?? Haha...

[nytek]

Originally Posted by Barrackubus

Gravity is a law. Gravity is made up?? Haha...

That's possibly a bad example. We as a humanity understand very little about gravity, and what is accepted in that vein is still debated within the various arenas of physics currently as I understand it.

nytek

[Poete Maudit]

Originally Posted by Barrackubus

Gravity is a law. Gravity is made up?? Haha...

Gravity is a law? Gravity is a force, not a law. You must mean the mathematical equation which gives the form of this force.

The inverse square law proposed by Newton, for example, is absolutely an invention. Its form depends entirely upon the inventions of the concepts of force and mass as they appear in the mathematical theory, which are by their very nature are ultimately - in this case immediately - circularly defined, as all mathematical statements are tautological; its experimental verification depends on the assumption that wherever it is found not to hold there are other 'forces' or 'masses' which need to be taken into consideration, which are found, no less, by assumption of the same mechanical theory they are supposed to prevent from being falsified; its application to reality presupposes the existence of 'things', which are logically necessarily identical and as such are fictions in a phenomenal world which knows only ceaseless change; I'm not even going to go into other basic presuppositions of phsyics, such a the measurability of the flow of 'time', merely assumed to be constant within a given phsyical reference frame, and an outright canard.

And, no, things do not always fall. That's what I think of your 'law'. Birds disprove this assertion every day. How this is accounted for in a mathematical theory in order to preserve its validity is, as is all mathematics, a human invention, not an objective reality. Those same humans, by the way, tell us that magic is a fairy tale.

A law is a concept, more precisely an imperative, and concepts exist only in the minds that conceive of them. Therefore there aren't and can't be any laws in the world at large.

[ceewayne]

It is, like all other laws, made up.

Yes, my question is why did they create such a "law". I think it was created to make Wiccians look harmless. It is a way for them to say, "Hey, we don't do curses because it would hurt us more. We are harmless as a fluffy bunny."

Thoughts?

[nytek]

Originally Posted by ceewayne

Yes, my question is why did they create such a "law". I think it was created to make Wiccians look harmless. It is a way for them to say, "Hey, we don't do curses because it would hurt us more. We are harmless as a fluffy bunny."

Thoughts?

Possibly, it could be what you say. I personally think it's Christian influence.

[Barrackubus]

The law of three and the rede are either put in doctrine because of either a need to feel socially accepted or derives out of christian influences to keep them from pulling the matches out again. Thats my perception down to it's lowest common denominator. There is.no exsisting math, science or sound teaching to validate the claim that they are universally true.
What those doctrines does not do, is value the point of view of the magician. Why would a magician pass a curse. If out of fear, he or she has a valid reason to be fearful, else the curse wouldn't come to fruition. I mean an honest, life changing or.threatening fear would have to be present and very much repected by the dieties or energies they call upon. Some clean it up by saying, 'well the rede doesn't say anything about self defense' or the latter I described, and you know they don't talk about it either, they sometimes would love and light you to death.
it's like they want to keep.that part of ourselves underwraps, it's there and we don't talk about it, or even ask about it?
It's funny, if it is Christian influence I read in the christian bible were a god of.love and light,blah,blah. He cursed people, but he is love. They don't talk about being righteously indignent and doing miracles or magick to harm the evildoers. Life is full of those evildoers and it's not nothing a magician like myself wouldn't do unless alot of.evil has been done to me.....
The restrictions also prevents any type of self defense magick that might be very much justfiable from the magicians perspective. And this is a restriction of the magicians will....can't do that

[nytek]

Originally Posted by Barrackubus

The law of three and the rede are either put in doctrine because of either a need to feel socially accepted or derives out of christian influences to keep them from pulling the matches out again. Thats my perception down to it's lowest common denominator. There is.no exsisting math, science or sound teaching to validate the claim that they are universally true.
What those doctrines does not do, is value the point of view of the magician. Why would a magician pass a curse. If out of fear, he or she has a valid reason to be fearful, else the curse wouldn't come to fruition. I mean an honest, life changing or.threatening fear would have to be present and very much repected by the dieties or energies they call upon. Some clean it up by saying, 'well the rede doesn't say anything about self defense' or the latter I described, and you know they don't talk about it either, they sometimes would love and light you to death.
it's like they want to keep.that part of ourselves underwraps, it's there and we don't talk about it, or even ask about it?
It's funny, if it is Christian influence I read in the christian bible were a god of.love and light,blah,blah. He cursed people, but he is love. They don't talk about being righteously indignent and doing miracles or magick to harm the evildoers. Life is full of those evildoers and it's not nothing a magician like myself wouldn't do unless alot of.evil has been done to me.....
The restrictions also prevents any type of self defense magick that might be very much justfiable from the magicians perspective. And this is a restriction of the magicians will....can't do that

Wiccans love to bind in my experience, and "for your own good", but of course. Not all, but a good number have been that way which I've seen one way or another. They are just as intolerant in that regard as Christians or any other group seemingly as well. Live differently and be judged with no objectivity outside of their narrow philosophy on life and living it.

Speaking to you as a person who's both bound and cursed, and who's been both bound, and attacked, I can say bind spells can destroy you all the same, but it comes from "good intent" so I guess that means it's okay; no evil if it can be rationalized as "for good". All mental masturbation, like Joy of Satan convincing themselves they can satisfy all their base desires and basically live as angry little pieces of shit because there is no objective good and evil anyway, or a hell to burn in. Go figure.

[ceewayne]

They are just as intolerant in that regard as Christians or any other group seemingly as well.

In both, there is a degree of "victimhood". Like they cannot have any other identity unless they feel they are being persecuted.

[nytek]

Originally Posted by ceewayne

...Like they cannot have any other identity unless they feel they are being persecuted.

Once one self-adopts the title of Lord or Lady before their name, it is only a matter of time permitting.

[myst moonlight]

first off some of these arguments are quite compelling
second you killed someone? why exactly
third if you hurt someone in self defence or in a ccounter attack of course you you wouldn't be punished its their negativity
finaly i've seen the law of three in action