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[alexburkee]

I invoked a "spirit of creation" to help me with something and rather choose one I let it choose one for me.

I smoked "something" and meditated to some music for a few minutes then got up after my head was clear and relaxed.

I sat down on my computer and a saw a wolf beside my computer for a second. I had to look up what spirit it was and sure enough its AMON .

Written down on a piece of paper it said "I want to win the lottery more often" Here is what the voice said.

"your agreements are far to complicated" -AMON
"I heard a mosquito buzz in my ear for a second" (no mosquito tho) -THE IMAGINARY mosquito

"What I ask for is my own skills to win money in the lottery" -ME
"WELL YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THAT" -AMON

"I have nothing to offer you" -ME
"do you smoke" - AMON

"I smoke ________ only recently" -ME
"your laying around 2 cook" - AMON (ANYONE WANT TO ENLIGHTEN ME ON WHAT THAT MEANS)
"smile" -AMON

"so I will leave you now if you want to answer my request
please do but if not please do not bother me for I have
only asked out of somewhat curiosity and I apologize for
any inconvenience I have caused" -ME

"ludicrous" -AMON

I had to google ludicrous because Ive never heard the word before.
and I am about to google what that quotes from.

All in all. Its all good. the Mosquito might of been a test to see if I was able to hear him or if I was scared.

[Perredur]

Do you mean Amon Ra?

"Ludicrous" is a perfect way to describe asking a creator deity to help you win the lottery. Why didn't you try having a conversation, or at least change your request to something less silly before you sent him off?

[pAmphAge]

It's such a bizarro experience that it a) made me really lol and b) It's too weird to be anything but a genuine experience.....of...some...sort i guesss. lol. I can only imagine what the smoked "something was." Salvia, DMT, some random pesticide?

I would like to hear any follow ups to this trip though. And I'm confused about this method:

"I invoked a "spirit of creation" to help me with something and rather choose one I let it choose one for me."

What do you mean? You invoked a spirit and then let it choose Amon...out of what? The Goetia? Who is this original spirit you call "spirit of creation"?

p/\mph/\ge

[magister]

How much do you want to win in the lottery?

2. spirits dont work like that

3. Spirits of the dead might be a better way to go.

4. Set up an ancestral boveda google it. it's got the info there if you browse through it

5. thats a shamanic thing you are asking.. the things of the earth with real world results, often times quickly, are only residing in the work of the dead, and the spirits who work with the dead.

the kabalistic or egyptian or goetic spirits.. (goetic spirits can help) but most of these grimories in the world are blind knowledge.. theres only a HANDFUL of things in this world thats worth real knowledge..

even Buddhism (bonpo, Dzogchen, Vajrayana), can help you win money..

other than that.. Do hard work.. find out and google what makes money in the world.. and start a business, thats successful, have a vehicle of means to make money..then.. ONLY THEN will the spirits help you..

dont learn the hard way. do it the way im telling you

[magister]

people are sold on this fantasy novel, hollywood story that magic makes all your problems go away, and makes you filthy rich, a trillionaire, and youre this ultimate guru, that floats in the air, and youre harry potter..


I used to think that.. thats why i got into spirituality.

it's a LOT of hard work..

the key here in life to do anything and every thing is luck, skill, and HARD WORK..

even with magic. you dont need luck persay, but skill and hard work.. hecks yeah.

people on forums will lie, see youre not knowledgable, and jerk you around. most of the time, they dont have real magic, or know of any real magic.

stick with hard work kiddo, in everything you do.. if you still like and want to do magic.. remember it's just as demanding as a phd in college.. even more so. but balance your life out, set aside time for exercise, and magic, and academic education.

I've been in magic since 2006, and i've learned more in the last couple of years then i've ever had.

my magic has lead me back to conclusion on Judeo-christian aspects..

theres a lot of things the christans, and jews are not telling us.

but i digress..

Remember.. Luck, Skill, HARD WORK

say it three times.

[magister]

one more thing.. if salvia is legal in your state


BUY ALL OF IT UP.. pamphage is right about that salvia.. when i did it, i was seeing blue akasha images of spirits.. my post about it is on this forum. I couldnt speak. lol but it was awesome, my request was answered. forget about that circle and triangle of art LOL. that works, but it's also a blind.

oh and Aleister Crowley. it seems like everybody starts out with him..

And then we grow up..

So go ahead and re-invoke AMON.. ask him to teach you some things, and befriend him.. and then he might help you if you say the right things

[flamenco]

I really can't tell if ideas and some opportunities presented in my life lately comes from my recent workings with Amon, they are not lottery numbers, nor free money at all.

They are group ideas that if worked upon could provide a more prosperous life... IF worked upon.

[StarChild]

Before asking for money it helps to seriously consider what your thoughts toward money actually are. Many entreat the Gods and spirits for help with money, but it really won't work if you have things that will prevent you from even attaining it. By things, I mean deep-seeded thoughts toward money and how it is attained.

Personally, it's perfectly fine to throw away the normalized ways of making money in the world. Many people will say work hard, but in actuality they may not even know what they are talking about. "Start a business; Get a job", these are all standard ways of thinking that have just as proven a track record as the lottery. How much actual "work" is done really revolves around how much a person uses their potential, and in both those examples it isn't really that hard to run to either one of those answers. And when people do those routes, even though they may LABOR intensively, they often kill their potential chasing these routes. This isn't everyone, but it's most people out there.

With that said, you might want to consider of what Amon said was his direct opinion, of if he help you realize what YOUR deep-seeded opinion of winning the lottery was. When he told you it was ludicrous (or when you found out what that word meant), did you think about any points in your mind in which you thought it was ludicrous to win the lottery? If so, then he just helped you right there; he let you know exactly what your desire was. If you have the idea of the lottery as a flash-in-the-pan, slingshot attempt at making money, then what you want is ludicrous. It would be like asking to fly when you think flying is the stuff of Disney movies and cartoons.

It might have helped to get to know Amon and ask what he had to offer rather than outright going for the kill with that request. It also might have helped if you had given direct insights into your life and your situations, and asked Amon how it is that you could solve those things. A request like winning the lottery has a whole seed of reasons for why you would want that request. It also helps you understand where you are coming from, and even though you may think you have a clear idea, I find myself continuously digging into the reasons I have specific desires. From all that, Amon might be able to give you a method of making money or increasing luck that fits with your skills, your limits, and your needs.

From your experience, Amon seemed pretty nice and even more hilarious. "You're just laying around to cook"... perhaps he was telling you a way to make money? Not that I would advocate it, or admonish it, but maybe he was talking about drug dealing?

[asancta]

Yea,believe it or not many people ask for winning at the lottery when they do a ritual, encounter an entity or just go to a witch.Same many people, in my country, ask so many times the witches to tell them the lottery numbers and when they refuse they say''Oooh I knew it...it's a scam, you are just a charlatan!!''

[flamenco]

I'm back again I was searching around the post I made for revenge but I couldn't find it. The recent turn of events are maybe connected with Amon...

Ok, so I went to a healer (kinda like a mix between hoodoo, witch and new ager) three unhexing/uncrossing and the rest candles later, four egg cleanses and seven spiritual baths later and I'm back on track. I have a strong feeling that Amon led me to that woman but it's kinda weird... The woman is a hard core RHP (which is cool, I have a new found respect for the RHP), hard core as in: "Jesus said to turn the other cheeck, blah blah bla" so I guess I'll have to get the names of the people that opossed my will through other means...

Anyways, my guess is that Amen really means Amon and it being the creator god, three part and all that, the real god behind xtianity is Amon... (hey, conspiracy theorists some times have it right too... <Michael Tsarion *cough *cough!>)

It's like some spider webs have been lifted form my consciousness, I have far more clearer thoughts and am more in control of my emotions.

BTW, Thanks Nytek! You truly are awesome, Amon too of course...

....All I wanted was a little prosperity but I got a whole lot more, I can now create prosperity by myself.