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[nytek]

Sick of intermittent results and the discouragement it's provided, I'm about to embark upon a chemical journey to try another route toward the mastery out of body experiences. I'm open to any and all suggestions on which substances you think would be fairly hypnotic without arresting a person's ability to keep the mind awake while allowing the body to loosen awareness enough to fall asleep. The rarity of gathering up any potential recommendations is not really an issue to keep you from posting, please note.

[UncleAl]

Probably not what you were looking for, BUT it popped into my head as it's come up several times recently is the SSRI Cymbalta which gives crazy dreams. I find that crazy dream inducing drugs can be useful to OBEs. Then again, like you, I've only ever had them sporadically, but my best ones having been "almost" waking up from naps (in the afternoon) but then having a full blown OBE. Short-lived (maybe 5-10 minutes at most) but fantastic.

[nytek]

Originally Posted by UncleAl

Probably not what you were looking for, BUT it popped into my head as it's come up several times recently is the SSRI Cymbalta which gives crazy dreams. I find that crazy dream inducing drugs can be useful to OBEs.

Hmm... no, this might be good. I don't have any experience with anything stronger than OTC sleep meds, but those certainly do bring one into a deep and drowsy swoon which you need to fight to stay awake in during the right circumstances. I guess "fighting to stay awake", would be the potential problem then if applied to OOBE with OTC meds. With adjustment to find the proper dosage this non-OTC way might be very good and effective though. Thanks.

I'm going to chase this lead down and when I can I'll post results. I'm gonna do research as well on my own, and additionally will try to find more materials. Google has to have something hidden and waiting for me.

Then again, like you, I've only ever had them sporadically, but my best ones having been "almost" waking up from naps (in the afternoon) but then having a full blown OBE. Short-lived (maybe 5-10 minutes at most) but fantastic.

Same. When I was around 14, give or take, I would go to bed thirsty during the summer. I'd say, "fuck it... I'm too tired", and I'd crash at like 5am. But you know, sometimes you're too parched in that heat to comfortably sleep, right?

So I would decide to get up and notice that my body is still on the bed partially attached to me... which freaked me out to no end. This progressed over 4-5 times to me making it to the door without noticing my body on the bed, then making it through the doorway to the stairs, then lastly down the stairs where my hand passed through the fridge the final time.

Each time it started the same... going to bed thirsty and exhausted which provided a little discomfort to prevent me from totally slipping beyond the wall of sleep. Maybe we need to stay awake for two days and then try adding some discomfort. Or perhaps the cymbalta will do the trick before that.

Later on in life, I've managed to do this on purpose only after making some progress in asana from a wide awake state ... but holy shit how much momentum it takes which is much more easily lost if you skip even a few days of practice. You know? Bah. I can count on one hand how many wide-awake OOBEs I've had and they were short lived.

That said, I've had a good amount of "success" reading for a few hours each night and mentally rehearsing OOBE before going to bed which seemed to trigger my best ones. I found if you inundate the brain with that kinda message your subconscious will perhaps reward you. Perhaps.

Thanks anyhow, and I doubt this which I've shared will be anything new to you, but if so, then give it a shot. By the way, have you heard of Robert Monroe and his binaural tone powered Gateway project? I have to admit while using it daily it trained me to enter a hypnogogic state at the very least he calls, "focus 10". I can tell you where to get this program. But it takes real solid persistence and more patience than I had the last time around to be honest. Let me know if you want to try it. I'm thinking a combo is gonna be best, whatever I go with.

[nytek]

My friend mentioned tricyclics ... also MAOIs plus 5HTP, I think. Disassociatives might be good to look into also but could just as easily distract. I should have something more concrete to bring back within the next few days. Apparently there might be more useful SSRIs than cymbalta and he's scanning his books and posts. Thanks for the tip, again. I have a good feeling. Then again, there is always use of hypnotics like valium but that scares the shit out me for obvious reasons. Seems like you'd have to hit the proverbial nail on the head or become addicted faster than two shakes of a lamb's tail ... with parkinsons. :x

[nytek]

I'm going to go the route of an herbal blend first after much discussion. Hypnotics seem to potentially place too much emphasis on the physical body and could stimulate in that sense what I seek to disassociate from... but leaning on disassociatives isn't good either since in my expeirence they seem to stimulate the mind too much to allow proper relaxation to occur... Otherwise, the SSRI/MAOI route with 5HTP preloading is open, provided I have a small dose to avoid serotonin sickness, but would probably be very taxing and I'm not sure if it's worth it or even possible yet.

That said, I'm currently exploring his blends he's worked on, and also mixing something with home brewed kava extract, lotus, 5HTP, maybe skullcap, opium lettuce, lavender (vaporized in a volcano vaporizer), and some other things that might do the trick like valerian... still gathering suggestions, if you know of any herbs like that.

[Izabael DaJinn]

I don't have any drugs to ADD to the list, but cutting out Marijuana definitely increases my dream recall and intensity.

I had an OOB experience just before waking up a few weeks ago. Only lasted a few minutes though...really so close to a dream except it was in my room prettty much exactly how it is in a waking state with that much clarity and stability.